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    Default falcon 9 first flight

    SpaceX seem set to launch tommorow and i for one wish them well. Whether they succede or fail they have worked wonders to get this far.

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    Weather is 60% favorable. Here's a tidbit for you, quite a few people I work with and talk to on a daily basis, want it to blow up on the pad, so the space agency can get back to what has already been started.

    For the record, I am not one of them.
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    Elon Musk & SpaceX are probably not going to solvent within a year or so, but perhaps somebody will take over SpaceX and adopt Falcon 9.

    Musk is catching a lot of flak on the business channels right now, particularly about his $500,000,000 taxpayer funded line of credit and his screwing of the trusting people of Downey, California. His wife wants $50,000,000 of that taxpayer money as part of her pending divorce settlement with Musk. Musk is using that 1/2 billion bucks to launch the Tesla IPO, so that abuse of your tax money could happen.

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    A very impressive launch today by SpaceX. Kudo's.
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    Kudos indeed. Can't wait for them to send up an operational dragon. Go SpaceX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimMcDade View Post
    Elon Musk & SpaceX are probably not going to solvent within a year or so, but perhaps somebody will take over SpaceX and adopt Falcon 9.

    Musk is catching a lot of flak on the business channels right now, particularly about his $500,000,000 taxpayer funded line of credit and his screwing of the trusting people of Downey, California. His wife wants $50,000,000 of that taxpayer money as part of her pending divorce settlement with Musk. Musk is using that 1/2 billion bucks to launch the Tesla IPO, so that abuse of your tax money could happen.

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    Plain and simple. More biased and unsubstantiated BS and disinformation from clueless wanker.

    A. Spacex and Telsa separate companies and have separate financing. Spacex is very solvent.
    b. Where is it said that his wife is after the tax money
    c. "could happen"? I can make similar type of claims. It could happen that McDade is embezzling right now, or plotting a murder or rape. My statements are just as true as McDade's

    It is post's like these that has McDade banned from main stream spaceflight forums and is stuck posting to forums that also allow Thomas Lee Elifritz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me2 View Post
    It is post's like these that has McDade banned from main stream spaceflight forums and is stuck posting to forums that also allow Thomas Lee Elifritz
    Damn Jim. Is there any chance at all that you can stop criticizing my website? The fact that posts aren't censured here as other sites do is not a detriment. There's an ignore function on this thing, so if you are tired of reading posts you don't like from an individual, hit the ignore button. Sheesh!

    Where's your website so I can continually critique it month after month??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me2 View Post
    Plain and simple. More biased and unsubstantiated BS and disinformation from clueless wanker.

    A. Spacex and Telsa separate companies and have separate financing. Spacex is very solvent.
    b. Where is it said that his wife is after the tax money
    c. "could happen"? I can make similar type of claims. It could happen that McDade is embezzling right now, or plotting a murder or rape. My statements are just as true as McDade's

    It is post's like these that has McDade banned from main stream spaceflight forums and is stuck posting to forums that also allow Thomas Lee Elifritz
    No wanker is clueless, they know exactly what they are doing.

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    Default Re: falcon 9 first flight

    This was an important flight of an all-new vehicle that was highly successful and was done by a new team that worked very hard and saw that work pay off... period.

    Now the bickering and smearing and over-inflating will take place. I'd hope that the SapceX team would not be listening, but their own leader is one of the biggest toads in the puddle. Anyone see his interview on This Week In Space? In one breath he states that many of his competetors "responded with grace" offering kudos, then he proceeds to lick Obama's boots and to throw around more anti-Constellation mud. Very unsporting Elon- the only thing worse than a bad winner is an ultra rich brat who is a bad winner.

    The fact is that, although very successful, one flight does not make a program. The Falcon 9 still needs to demonstrate a protracted flight record- and I hope it can do that. The other fact is that Elon is a hell of a long way from a manned vehicle- they don't even have an LES yet and they have zero yardage on recovery aspects. Yet, we hear it boasted about that they will be able to fly a crew as soon as next year... SAY WHAT?

    At length, this flight will do little to change anything in the Congress as well. The burr that has the Obama budget proposal in a coma there is the commercial to eliminate NASA launch capability aspect in the proposal. The argumant against that states that we need a NASA launch capability with commercial developing alongside. Thus- a good launch by SpaceX really means nothing in the Congressional consideration- everyone there already supports commercial development, they just don't want it at the expense of gutting NASA's HSF launch capability.

    The Falcon 9 had a great flight- now comes the hard part... doing it again, and again, and again....

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    Well put. And for those who lump Ares I-X into the same category, they are mistaken, or are spinning the situation again.

    I-X is part of the Constellation program, which still is up and running by the way.

    What's the name of the new program that Falcon is part of? Oh, that's right, there is no program, nor is there a program name.
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    Default Re: falcon 9 first flight

    Just saw this on www.spacetransportnews Bob Biggalow making a robust defense of commercial crew


    "Bigelow Aerospace Joins the Commercial Spaceflight Federation


    An announcement from Bigelow Aerospace and the Commercial Spaceflight Federation (note the comments from Robert Bigelow about the NASA commercial crew transport program):

    Bigelow Aerospace Joins the Commercial Spaceflight Federation
    Aims to Address Commercial Crew Transportation Misperceptions

    Washington, D.C., June 16, 2010 – The Commercial Spaceflight Federation is pleased to announce that Bigelow Aerospace, LLC (“Bigelow Aerospace or “BA”) has joined the Federation as an Executive Member, having received unanimous approval by the Commercial Spaceflight Federation’s Board of Directors.

    Mark Sirangelo, Chairman of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, commented, “On behalf of the member companies of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, we are proud to welcome Bigelow Aerospace as an Executive Member. Bigelow is a great fit with our other members, all of who are pursuing the common goal of a robust commercial human spaceflight sector. With the addition of Bigelow Aerospace to the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, all of the pieces of a self-sustaining commercial space economy are falling into place – launch providers, spaceports, suppliers, and on-orbit destinations. For those who suppose there is no market for commercial crew launches other than NASA, Bigelow Aerospace serves as one counterexample.”

    Robert T. Bigelow, Founder and President of Bigelow Aerospace said, “The future is being created now. Commercial crew transportation has the potential to revolutionize the space industry for public and private sector entities alike. The unprecedented success of the Falcon 9’s inaugural launch clearly demonstrates that it’s possible to dramatically reduce the cost of human spaceflight operations. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon capsule were developed at a cost dramatically below that of traditional cost-plus programs – this should be a wakeup call that it’s time for a new way of doing business. We are becoming a member of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation at this time to join with like-minded organizations, who want to see America be able to compete again in the global space launch marketplace, and push back against the pernicious misconceptions that are being perpetuated to harm the Administration’s commercial crew initiative.”

    “Specifically, I’m appalled by the condemnation of commercial crew as being somehow less safe than government programs, and the refrain that commercial companies need to prove they can deliver cargo before they deliver crew. In regard to the latter, a leading contender for commercial missions, the Atlas V, has had 21 consecutive successful launches. This rocket is arguably the most reliable domestic launch system in existence today. It strains the bounds of credulity to claim that any new rocket would be able to trump the safety of a system that has an extensive record of flawless operations.”

    “Moreover,” Bigelow added, “we’re extremely pleased to be part of the Boeing team constructing the CST-100 capsule under the auspices of NASA’s own Commercial Crew Development program. Boeing’s unparalleled heritage and experience, combined with Bigelow Aerospace’s entrepreneurial spirit and desire to keep costs low, represents the best of both established and new space companies. The product of this relationship, the CST-100 capsule, will represent the safest, most reliable, and most cost-effective spacecraft ever to fly. Again, I don’t understand the critics who say ‘commercial’ entities can’t safely build a capsule. Why is it that Boeing, the company that constructed the ISS itself, can’t safely build a capsule that would go to their own space station? These are the sorts of questions and issues that we will be posing in Washington as a member of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation.”

    Bretton Alexander, President of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation, added, “Bigelow Aerospace joining the Commercial Spaceflight Federation will help us to further our organization’s goals — to promote the development of commercial human spaceflight, pursue ever higher levels of safety, and share best practices and expertise throughout the industry. This is the start of an exciting new era for commercial spaceflight.”

    About the Commercial Spaceflight Federation
    The mission of the Commercial Spaceflight Federation is to promote the development of commercial human spaceflight, pursue ever-higher levels of safety, and share best practices and expertise throughout the industry. The Commercial Spaceflight Federation’s member companies, which include commercial spaceflight developers, operators, spaceports, suppliers, and service providers, are creating thousands of high-tech jobs nationwide, working to preserve American leadership in aerospace through technology innovation, and inspiring young people to pursue careers in science and engineering. For more information please visit www.commercialspaceflight.org.

    About Bigelow Aerospace
    Bigelow Aerospace, headquartered in Nevada, is a general contractor providing design, engineering, fabrication, testing, assembly, and marketing of future orbital space complexes. Bigelow Aerospace has already successfully launched and deployed two pathfinder spacecraft, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2, launched in 2006 and 2007 respectively. Bigelow Aerospace is currently constructing the habitats and hardware that will comprise the world’s first private sector space station, which will be deployed as soon as domestic commercial crew transportation becomes available. For more information please visit www.bigelowaerospace.com Posted 06/16/10 | 11:35:51 by TopSpacer | Filed under: Commercial spaceflight"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post

    I-X is part of the Constellation program, which still is up and running by the way.

    What's the name of the new program that Falcon is part of? Oh, that's right, there is no program, nor is there a program name.
    Say again? What was I-X part of? A dead end.

    The name of the program Falcon is a part of? Commercial Resupply Services, COTS, and CCDev.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimMcDade View Post
    Elon Musk & SpaceX are probably not going to solvent within a year or so, but perhaps somebody will take over SpaceX and adopt Falcon 9.
    Just shows you that McDade doesn't know what he is talking about

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    Default Re: falcon 9 first flight

    Geez Jim, give him some slack. The snippet from the post you reference was written years ago.
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