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    More than 1,100 reviewers from seven NASA field centers and multiple industry partners approve Ares I design:
    NASA's Ares I Rocket Passes Review to Reach Critical Milestone




    HUNTSVILLE, Ala., Sept 10, 2008 /PRNewswire-USNewswire via COMTEX/ -- NASA has taken a major step toward building the nation's next generation launch vehicle with Wednesday's successful completion of the Ares I rocket preliminary design review.


    Starting in 2015, the Ares I rocket will launch the Orion crew exploration vehicle, its crew of four to six astronauts, and small cargo payloads to the International Space Station. The rocket also will be used for missions to explore the moon and beyond in the coming decades.


    The preliminary design review is the first such milestone in more than 35 years for a U.S. rocket that will carry astronauts into space. The review was conducted at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. It examined the current design for the Ares I launch vehicle to assess that the planned technical approach will meet NASA's requirements for the fully integrated vehicle. That ensures all components of the vehicle and supporting systems are designed to work together.


    "This is a critical step for development of the Ares I rocket," said Rick Gilbrech, associate administrator of the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate in Washington. "Completing the preliminary design review of the integrated vehicle demonstrates our engineering design and development are on sound footing, and the Ares I design work is taking us another step closer to building America's next mode of space transportation."


    The preliminary design review included more than 1,100 reviewers from seven NASA field centers and multiple industry partners. The review is the final step of this design process. Teams representing each major part of the Ares I rocket -- the upper stage engine, first stage and upper stage -- all have conducted similar reviews during the past year.


    The preliminary design review is one of a series of reviews that occurs before actual flight hardware can be built. As the review process progresses, more detailed parts of the vehicle design are assessed to ensure the overall system can meet all NASA requirements for safe and reliable flight. This process also identifies technical and management challenges and addresses ways to reduce potential risks as the project goes forward.


    "Risk assessment is a very important part of the process," said Steve Cook, manager of the Ares I rocket at Marshall. "It allows us to identify issues that might impact the Ares I rocket. For example, we identified thrust oscillation -- vibration in the first stage -- as a risk. In response to this issue, we formed an engineering team. The team conducted detailed analyses and reviewed previous test data, and then recommended options to correct the problem."


    "We intend to hold a limited follow-up review next summer to fully incorporate the thrust oscillation recommendations into the stacked vehicle design," Cook added. "Identifying risks that can impact the project and resolving them is a necessary and vital part of the development process."
    With the completion of this review, each element of the Ares I rocket will move to the detailed design phase. A critical design review will mark the completion of the detailed design phase and allows for a more thorough review of each system element to ensure the vehicle design can achieve requirements of the Ares program.


    This week, the J-2X engine will be the first Ares I element to kick off the critical design review process. The engine will power the Ares I upper stage to orbit after separation from the first stage.


    "We're excited about getting into full system engine tests with the new J-2X engine," Cook said. "This will be one of the safest, most affordable and highest performing rocket engines ever built, and testing is critical as we begin preparation for future flights."


    Marshall manages the Ares projects and is responsible for design and development of the Ares I rocket and Ares V heavy cargo launch vehicle. NASA's Johnson Space Center in Houston manages the Constellation Program, which includes the Ares I rocket, the Ares V vehicle, the Orion crew capsule and the Altair lunar lander. NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida is responsible for ground and launch operations. The program also includes multiple project element teams at NASA centers and contract organizations around the U.S.


    For more information about the Ares rockets, visit:
    http://www.nasa.gov/ares


    For more information about NASA's Constellation Program, visit:
    http://www.nasa.gov/constellation


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    I truly hope that those who oppose Ares, will not disparage the quailfied participents or their findings in this PDR.

    Fingers crossed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    I truly hope that those who oppose Ares, will not disparage the quailfied participents or their findings in this PDR.

    Fingers crossed!
    You hope for too much. Some are already calling them liars on another website which shall remain nameless.

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    Unbelievable.

    What the hell is wrong with those people. I won't even waste my time going "over there" to read it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Unbelievable.

    What the hell is wrong with those people. I won't even waste my time going "over there" to read it.
    Yeah, I wouldn't. The Wizard of Smart who lives in your area also said on there recently that he believes NASA's actions now border on "criminal." What lunacy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    The Wizard of Smart who lives in your area also said on there recently that he believes NASA's actions now border on "criminal." What lunacy!

    -Andrew
    What evidence does he posses, that can even remotely validate his claim? If its part and parcel with the rest of DIRECT's factual evidence, I would say ZERO.
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    Wasn't the direct people going to release some kinda response to Nasa's decision a while back???

    What happend to that!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    I truly hope that those who oppose Ares, will not disparage the quailfied participents or their findings in this PDR.

    Fingers crossed!

    The PDR was a failure. Any other spacecraft PDR with the same ratings would have failed and it would have to be redone. Also the standard "stoplight" rating system (red yellow green) was 'modified" to include yellow-red so as to make it not look so bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spacenut View Post
    Wasn't the direct people going to release some kinda response to Nasa's decision a while back???

    What happend to that!!!

    According to Ross Tierney, it's been delayed because of his "partial heart attack" but should be coming "soon"! We're all frothing with anticipation.

    Don't forget: he still claims that he has an "independent" analysis from a reputable organization that shows DIRECT is better than Ares. But, interestingly, he still won't release it. Evidently, it's "top secret" as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me2 View Post
    The PDR was a failure. Any other spacecraft PDR with the same ratings would have failed and it would have to be redone.
    Wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me2 View Post
    The PDR was a failure. Any other spacecraft PDR with the same ratings would have failed and it would have to be redone. Also the standard "stoplight" rating system (red yellow green) was 'modified" to include yellow-red so as to make it not look so bad
    Please provide documented proof of your claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Please provide documented proof of your claims.
    By definition, there is no such thing as Yellow-red on a stoplight

    The fact of a delta PDR or PDR reconvene is proof of failure to pass the PDR. Successful/normal programs don't do this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    Wrong.

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    and how many PDR's have you attended or participated in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Me2 View Post
    By definition, there is no such thing as Yellow-red on a stoplight

    The fact of a delta PDR or PDR reconvene is proof of failure to pass the PDR. Successful/normal programs don't do this
    Unfortunately, you did not answer my question.
    Please provide documentation to prove your claims.

    Otherwise, the opinion that you are typing, is just that, opinion.
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    Rick, These kooks are not going to back-off. Don't let them raise your blood pressure. Just have a laugh and ponder their sad plight.

    I have been debunking hoaxes for a number of years. One of the common traits of conspiracy theory hoaxes is the inability of hoax leaders to withdraw their claims and just walk away. When someone gets so far and so deep into a flawed belief system, the personal price for admitting defeat and withdrawal from the cult of belief has grown painfully high.

    To admit defeat is to invite stinging ridicule, public humiliation, embarrassment, and all of the other negative things that become indelibly associated with their name. Nobody wants their personal or professional reputation to be ruined when reality overtakes their climb to glory.

    It is easier to just continue the fraud and exploit every opportunity to point out "newly uncovered evidence" that the flawed contentions can be vindicated. That newly uncovered evidence is always flawed, of course, but the obsessive drive to find vindication behind any crack or crevice is irresistible.

    DIRECT 2.0 is indeed a dead issue as far as NASA and Washington leadership is concerned. The mainstream media, short of the Orlando Tribune and its affiliated newspapers never picked up the DIRECT 2.0 scam. A Google news search illustrates how quickly this hoax faded from the scene. Perform a GOOGLE news search for DIRECT 2.0. DIRECT 2.0 is getting no play in any mainstream media resource. Reality has caught up with and passed this fraud. These guys have been forced back into a few dark corners on the internet.

    These guys are still trying to win friends and influence in the US Congress and other government offices.
    The politicians are probably an easy target, in their view. The political science and law majors who man the front-office of legislative offices are taught to treat ALL visitors with deference and courtesy. They are told to listen to all complaints, no matter how weird or odd those complaints might be. It also helps that those staffers are not engineers or science majors. They have no idea what Ross and Stephan are talking about. DIRECT 2.0 visitors to these offices have know notion that they are just getting the standard "treatment" when those staffers listen as if they were VIP guests.

    I can assure you that they have a good laugh when the strange "rocket-man" visitors leave the office. Congress is solidly behind the Ares I program. That support is also bipartisan. The desire to replace the Space Shuttle soon is shared across party lines.


    As you and Andrew know, we know a lot more specifics about these clowns than we care to say here. If we had no class we could tell what we know and ruin some reputations. I hope that i don't have to do that.
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    Default Re: Ares I Passes PDR

    Quote Originally Posted by Me2 View Post
    By definition, there is no such thing as Yellow-red on a stoplight

    The fact of a delta PDR or PDR reconvene is proof of failure to pass the PDR.

    Successful/normal programs don't do thisand how many PDR's have you attended or participated in?
    Wow, what an ineffective rebuttal. There isn't a "yellow-red" on a stoplight is your primary argument? LOL!

    How many PDRs have YOU participated in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick View Post
    Unfortunately, you did not answer my question.
    Please provide documentation to prove your claims.

    Otherwise, the opinion that you are typing, is just that, opinion.
    Proof. No such thing as red-yellow
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...n25417974/pg_5

    http://pbma.nasa.gov/framework_content_cid_261

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
    Wow, what an ineffective rebuttal. There isn't a "yellow-red" on a stoplight is your primary argument? LOL!

    How many PDRs have YOU participated in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimMcDade View Post


    DIRECT 2.0 is indeed a dead issue as far as NASA and Washington leadership is concerned. The mainstream media, short of the Orlando Tribune and its affiliated newspapers never picked up the DIRECT 2.0 scam. A Google news search illustrates how quickly this hoax faded from the scene. Perform a GOOGLE news search for DIRECT 2.0. DIRECT 2.0 is getting no play in any mainstream media resource. Reality has caught up with and passed this fraud. These guys have been forced back into a few dark corners on the internet.


    Who said anything about Direct.

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